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Withdrawal Fee?

 Predictit charges a 5% withdrawal fee, presumably because they incur Admin fees to "Cut-a-check".

That's an exorbitant fee by any measure...and further...who the hell issues checks anymore.  This is a game stopper!


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i agree - 5% is outrageous - also why is it 5% and not a fixed fee - it costs no more to issue a check for $1000 than it does for $100 but the fee is 10x larger.  makes it pointless to trade in this forum.

 


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Shak, I'm afraid the fees would be more onerous than given in your example. Here's one of their two statements on fees:


Any time you sell a shares [sic] for a higher price than you paid, we charge a fee of 10% of your profit. There is no fee if you sell your shares at the same price that you paid or a lower price. There is also no charge to open an account with us or to deposit funds via credit card. If you wish to withdraw funds from your account, we charge a 5% processing fee. 


In another statement, they confirm that the 10% fee on profits also applies to shares that close at $1 and are held on account. So, in your example (and assuming I understand their bifurcated explanation of fees), you would pay a $10 fee on your $100 profit, then another $9.50 for the privilege to withdrawing your adjusted earnings of $190, for net proceeds to you of $180.50.



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 Exactly, 5% fees are extremely high, please implement a direct deposit to bank account or something but the withdrawal fee is just too high


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As I stated in another post:


I have an extreme desire to trade, hence I opened an account, but overall, online betting is a bad deal. If you lose, you get $0, but if you win, you get 15% in fees, plus federal, plus state taxes. My fees & taxes overall would be over 50% of my earnings. Hence the downside is twice as large as the upside. It only makes sense to invest if you are confident you will be right at a 2:1 ratio. The vast majority of people will not reach that level. Nonetheless I am grateful to PredictIt for providing this service.


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In addition to the seemingly high 10% fee on profit, the fee structure is straight out misleading.  I reasonably inferred that if my position was closed out at $1, the profit would automatically be mailed to me.  Instead, they cleverly merely "credit" my account.  That way, in addition to the 10% disclosed fee, they charge an additional 5% fee to redeem the "credit."  The fee should be clearly disclosed as 15% of all profits and not disguised as 10%.  It is never 10%!


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I think the 5% fee is mostly about recovering for costs PredictIt incurs when processing credit card deposits.


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Yeah, i agree that there should be some sort of way around the fee. I think a great idea would be to say that there is an X$ amount charged per check, and then cap that dollar amount. That way you get people only withdrawing when they have larger checks to take out. It would reduce the administrative headache for PI, and would reduce the transaction costs for us getting $ out of the site.

 


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Agreed with the points above. A percentage fee is not justifiable for a service that has a flat cost. 


If PredictIt wants to keep calling themselves a "non-profit", this should be changed.


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True I didn't even know that there was a 5% withdrawal fee plus I didn't know that they would only issue me a check. I want to direct deposit period... I would have never joined the site had i known they didnt have direct deposit...

 


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I think they mail checks as an implicit additional means of address verification, but repeatedly having large checks in the mail does get scary, insofar as I simply don't know one way or another what would happen if the post office lost any envelope.  Not speaking of these checks but just mail in general, most people have probably noticed how occasionally a postman drops an envelope in the wrong mailbox, like I've gotten unrelated mail addressed to neighbors and others.


Maybe, after the first withdrawal is done by check, allow direct deposit on subsequent withdrawals?


The fees serve a purpose, insofar as I want them incentivized to continue to maintain this great site, but always using mail alone seems unnecessary.


Alternatively, if continuing to use mail alone, maybe clarify the FAQ by explaining how a lost check would be handled, like if one could pay a moderate fee to have it canceled and then a replacement check mailed out?


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Not sure what happened to my comment, but could be awaiting moderation. For you to charge a percentage basis just because your credit card costs are also percentage based is flawed. It means that people who lose all their shares don't pay into the fee structure at all, while good players pay multiple of how many times they win. A person who wins 6x as much as me pays 6 times more fees even though I was the one feeding the system with my extra deposits. That's the wrong kind of incentive. 


The total 15% spread is also too much for average bettors to overcome. I'm cashing out now that I'm ahead, but now that I understand my further wins are going to be taxed at 15% rather than 10%, and add another 1% for all the games you start that you take so very long to close and pay out, I'm done here. 


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My thanks to DavePeters for clarifying this obtuse fee structure.

 

Given the choice between withdrawal fees and transaction fees, I would rather have withdrawal fees. Transaction fees I think produce more "friction" in trading and may distort trading odds. I would honestly like all transaction fees eliminated even if withdrawal fees went up to 20%. I think in the long run, the site will do better with lower fees and higher volume, but the issue is getting from here to there.

A flat withdrawal fee is fair. I'm with afoux1 on this. Or cap the 5% fee for the first $500- or whatever is fair. But it costs predictit no more to cut a $50- or $500- or $5000- check. The current 5% fee is exorbitant, given the 10% chunk predictit has already taken out of winnings. Respectfully, this should be reconsidered and changed.

I think the 5% is a good choice for the withdrawal fee.  It's your contribution for the system to organize the betting.

I don't mind the 10% fee in principle, but I fear it is distorting the betting markets, because hedged bets become worth less through it.  As an example: There are two bets, A and B, either Yes or No. I believe "if A happens, then B happens" and buy B-Yes shares but also A-No shares to hedge my bet, in case A results in No and B becomes very unlikely (in my view).  IF A happens and I'm right that B happens, too, I get my profit from B, but have to pay the full 10% on the profit, without subtracting my hedge A first.

Hedged bets should be promoted to get a more efficient market and better information from the market, and they shouldn't be punished by calculating the 10% profit on the winning part of the bet (B), without allowing to subtract the loosing part of the hedge.

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